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Cristallerie royale de Saint Louis Water Goblet in the Manon Line

15 Monday Jun 2020

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I have owned these two stems for a long time.  Not being able to identify them myself I finally decided to ask for help.  I submitted the photos to Replacements.com’s identification service (which is great!).  I received the information that the pieces were produced by Saint-Louis of France.

Replacements’ staff did not provide the line name or any information about an age so I decided to visit the Saint Louis website to see if there was any information.  I saw that there was a link to a Saint Louis Museum (where I must visit some day) and wondered if staff would provide an ID and additional information.

I was put in touch with a very nice woman who did facilitate the search and was advised that the line name is ‘Manon’ and that Manon was introduced in 1924 and in production until the 1930s.

Currently part of the Hermes group, Saint Louis has been in operation for a long time.  here’s some information from their webiste:

“Born in 1586, the Müntzthal glassworks become « Verrerie royale » (Royal Glassworks) in 1767 through Louis XV’s royal seal of approval.

Italy and Bohemia were already producing crystalline, but it was the Englishman George Ravenscroft who perfected the technique for making genuine crystal. In 1781, experts at Saint-Louis solved the mystery.

Since 1829, renamed « Cristallerie royale de Saint-Louis », the manufacture is exclusively devoted to the production of crystal-glass items.”

Great to have help to identify this lovely stem.

Bohemia Etoile – Update to – Saint Louis Cleo ? or Bohemia Queen’s Lace

21 Sunday May 2017

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A smaller version.  I am going with the Etoile ID.

 

 

 

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Finally after three years someone out in cyberspace has corrected an ID for me.  Love it.  That’s why I started this blog in the first place.  The gold rim glass is confirmed by someone whose sister collects this pattern, as Bohemia Etoile.

Over the years I have had a number of pieces with the gold rim and the etch and knew that I had never confirmed the blank.  It is great to have this corrected and identified.

I don’t know if the small glasses below are part of this pattern however.  There is no gold rim and Replacements doesn’t include this shape in its listing of Etoile.

Also, I think these pieces are older.  The glass is much thinner and if I recall, as I haven’t seen them for awhile, I think the etch is finer.

Lotus/Glastonbury has a very similar etch called Garland #1001 and  the St. Louis Cleo etch is also very similar.  All about the shape/blank in the end, isn’t it?

Intriguing.  Thanks to the person who had identified the Etoile pattern however.

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Original post – May 31, 2012.

I have to update this prior posting with a new photo.  You’ll notice that the etch is the same, but larger, not as detailed, and the rim is gold.  The Queen’s Lace has the gold encrusted pattern, so I still don’t know what this is.  I have these two snifters, and a couple other pieces, yet to be shown.

 

This etch is a bit of a mystery.  I bought 8 of these little glasses in town here.  The seller, Marie from Under the Toadstool, said that they had belonged to her mom, but she didn’t know anything about them.   They are very small ( 3 1/2 in with a 2 1/8 inch opening) and don’t have the shape that I’d associate with a liqueur or cordial glass.  I think of those glasses being more cylindrical, these have a slight flare, if that’s the correct word.  I have this etch on two water goblets and a decanter.  I have seen it identified as Bohemia Crystal’s Queen’s Lace etch and as St. (Saint) Louis Massenet.  However the Bohemia pattern is always shown with a particular stem and the St. Louis pattern has the etch encrusted with gold.  My other pieces have a stem I’ve not seen with this pattern, and gold along the rim, but not in the etch.  No markings on anything.  The glass is very thin.  They look old.

I have a question into a European company to see if they can shed any light on this etch.  As usual….if anyone can shed any light on this mystery………